Patricks weekend thing Last Saturday. We had a problem with the line up. No singing groups. I invited my friend to do some sing alongs and I told him I would back him up. He wasn't prepared for an hour and a half set of singing strictly Irish songs. He covers the map when he sings and Irish is just a small part.
Call him Mr. Folk if you will. I added 7 songs to the list which filled in the blanks quite nicely. Here is what I was doing during our set. Singing Lead, Singing Backup, Fiddling backup. If I could sing and play at the same time Our show would have been much less of a duet sound and more of a trio sound. I keep thinking on that. Folk were very encouraging about my singing ability which is nice but I still believe that my singing added more variety rather than quality.
It was hard to tell because the entire audience was clapping along, singing, smiling and laughing at our nonsense and lighthearted entertainment. I suppose that's what really counts and I was pretty certain we could pull that off. A musician friend told me that he really enjoyed the performance but he missed my fiddle playing. I'll work on adding it in even when I'm singing. Ought to be a good challenge. Another good way to learn is to sing a song like sally gooden, and just play the fiddle bow shuffle [saw kick a saw] then as you get comfortable with it you can add a few extra notes.
Then a few more. Good luck. Screaming Wind Guest. Richard Senior Moderator Sr. I have tried and find it incredibly difficult to do. Others may be able to though. I find that it feels very similar playing the violin to singing, seems to use the same processes in the brain.
Only real way is to try for yourself. Like I've said before, and still not understand it I find it difficult to even talk when playing Why is this?
There must be a reason for it For more chat on this, click on this thread. Talking while playing is more difficult, I think - if you mean having a conversation while playing a melody. But I can talk some if I'm playing a simple repeated rythm.
Singing a song while playing chords that are connected to what you sing is another thing. However it takes a lot of practice. Start really slow and play a simple rythm and you'll notice on what particular syllables the bow strokes are played. Then increase the tempo. In the beginning it may be necessairy to do the same thing all over again with every new song. FidlGrl Jr. I've tried it a couple times but it is really hard for me I dunno.
Definately something to work on. What Bruce Molsky will tell you to do is to practice scales at first, singing in unison. Then singing a harmony third above or below the scale. If you go through his albums you'll find that he often teaches "Do Round My Lindy" at fiddle camps to get folks started on singing and playing.
Though he usually teaches it with standard tuning he'll perform it with cross tuning. The other cool tune do try out is "Rye Whiskey" from his album. It is the kind of thing that you really have to keep practicing so Jonathan can't just play it without a few weeks notice at this point. I sing while playing too. It was a general request of the band. I had a big problem there: I'm holding my violin with my shoulder and head classical method , and so I couldn't easily open my mouth A friend learned me to play with the violin against the chest, bowing quite straight and holding it with your hand.
You can't play in positions this way, but the purpose is to play chords. I usually use a mix of both techniques for easy switching from singing to soloing. Ok, I have played for one and a third month, and it may does not sound that great, but I don't think that the singing thing is the hardest thing to do when starting out with the violin. I just tried to copy him and there I was, singing and playing at the same time I'd also suggest just to sing along with the violin notes in the first place, and when that is no longer any problem, try switching your violin-play to something more simple, while keep singing the same melody I think that would work for me, if I wasn't used to sing while playing Quote from: Casperlehmann.
Quote from: madfiddler on Nov 23, , AM. Yamaha is rubbish in my opinion, there are lots of better things: Mark Viper, John Jordan, Barnshaw, I can sing along with the melody whilst playing but I don't think it would be possible with a chin and shoulder rest clamping ones gob shut.
Best of all, if you can do it, is to hold the fiddle against your chest or in the crook of your elbow, not something that comes naturally to me. This may have been common for English fiddlers, if only to produce more volume when playing outdoors for dancers. Sounds wierd that about putting it against your chest I think it works for me though Just a Question, am I supposed to hold the violin tight with my chin, at the chinrest?
Your head is heavy enough to hold the violin, but the difficulty is to relax, so all the weight of your head can rest on your chinrest. When playing, there should not be ANY tension. Or the least tension possible. Try holding the violin by "lying" totally relaxed on the chinrest and play some easy scale G. Try to play it using very little pressure of you fingers on the strings just enough for having the sound. If you put a piece of paper between the strings and the fingerboard, play a note with vibrato and ask someone to move the paper.
You'll notice that the paper can be easily moved. This is because you are not pushing the string against the fingerboard.
Now, you are playing with a minimum of effort. I started playing bluegrass and bluegrass gospel and tried joining in the singing on choruses and for some songs - especially if I like them - I'll join in the verses. I can do harmony singing, but usually do it where I'm matching the harmony I'm playing.
A few times, I've sung harmony and played the melody - because I often hear the melody in my head even when playing harmony. Whether one does it or not, I find, depends on the circumstances, and how much a fiddler wants to do more at the same time. I have not tried singing with my classical pieces - maybe some year that will come.
I do hum what I'm playing - often, especially when working on certain difficult or tricky passages as I get more confident in what I'm doing. But I can sing as badly while playing as I can while not playing. He also chain-smoked But it is a feat which many guitarists and some pianists master. When my son was teaching himself acoustic guitar he also taught himself to sing at the same time.
But he said it took some effort until it 'clicked'. Some of his friends who are much more experienced on the guitar are still unable to do this. So why is it apparently so much easier on the guitar, yet still difficult enough to challenge many players? Clearly the physiology of singing with guitar is easier,and very often the guitar part accompanying the vocals is relatively simple, but I suspect it's mainly a 'brain' issue of some kind.
I recommend it to my jazz pupils as it makes them play much more rhythmically, with automatic good jazz phrasing aligned with the length of a breath. It's a good thing to do on so many levels - playing the phrases you're spontaneously hearing in your head rather than intellectually summoning up finger patterns and habits you've pre-learned. But it's difficult with the violin so near your head to hear both sounds at once, do I recommend they hold the violin in the crook of their elbow at first, then gradually move it back up to the shoulder.
Seems to work for most people, including me! I cannot multi-task. So, I can't blame the placement of my jaw for that. Something at a very basic brain-stem kind of level prevents it. On the other hand I've never really tried very hard, because it really doesn't interest me anyway. They make it seem easy and natural but I suspect that in most cases, like so many things, it took some work and practice.
Among my other talents is mimicry. I can do a number of accents, imitate many people, well-known or otherwise, etc. All of that is with my speaking voice. Singing-wise, one thing I can do is a pretty good Elvis! I can hold my violin guitar style and accompany myself - BUT - I'll play the intro with triplet arpeggiations but once I begin to sing I find that very hard to continue and I simplify the accompaniment to simple two-part harmony.
I think that with some work, I could keep up the arpeggiations, but such work is real low on my list of priorities. Shar Music. Yamaha Silent Violin.
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