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Do you have a demo reel? Add it to your IMDb page. Find out more at IMDbPro ». And when the dominos began to fall, and particularly when they were in Cuba, Nicaragua, Angola, and Afghanistan, saying that they were protecting their borders.
Angola and Cuba are a little far out for a border. And many people described what they were doing in South America, because they were not just in El Salvador but they were in Nicaragua, and they had infiltrated Colombia and Chile.
And they called this the Cuban Empire. And when I saw the Cuban Empire happening, and this was a far-flung border for the Soviet Union to be protecting. I said, "This has got to stop because their obvious objective is the United States. That's, yeah. But, just. When you first, I mean, just a measure of the man, if you will, or initial impressions of Charlie Wilson?
Charlie was a very serious man underneath all the, the charm, and the fun, and all the things Charlie is so famous for. But he had done significant things for everybody in the oil business because he believed in it. He thought it needed to be done. It was good for the country. And certainly it was good for Texas.
And he always cared about that number one. So Bob admired him and liked him. And he said, "This is my friend, Charlie Wilson. And, of course, he was extremely attractive and handsome. But that was secondary. First, that's always secondary with me.
Everybody, you know, they know that outward image. Everybody I've interviewed and all of us. And you say you found him a serious, astute person. And, in fact, I didn't see any of the other. Charlie was really careful around me. I never saw him drunk, but once, and that's in my whole relationship with him. And I never saw him do anything that wasn't, he had very nice manners. Charlie came from a lovely family.
And Charlie reflected that. And with us he was always just a delightful companion. Very astute and interesting and ready to listen but also ready to add.
And I always thought of him as attractive and cute, you know, and fun, but I considered him serious. I think it was almost a personal ploy. Because I don't think Charlie enjoyed the shenanigans as much as he enjoyed talking about them. I think he loved the telling of it afterwards more than he loved the doing of it while it was happening. Because, when you look at his life, his liaisons with the ladies, which were world famous and all gorgeous, were short-lived, you know. And they, he came and they went, and he loved dating the current Ms.
Universe and the next year he'd date the next one, you know [laughter]. And he'd take them on these boats and all the sailors would go, "[Gasps] Wow. So more than anything, because there was this really, serious, good side of him. That's good too. I think having fun is terribly important. And it was one of the attractions for me later.
But he, Good Time Charlie doesn't describe him in my. I don't remember, I think it might have been his brother-in-law on that same question, said that he thought that there were t-, his brother-in-law Sam, two Charlies, that there were two Charlies, and people only got to see the one who really wasn't the real Charlie.
And the real Charlie was actually. You know, when you looked at his office or his apartment, except for the hot tub. What had happened, well this is later, but anyway, maybe you don't. Well, what happened was, this was when he started, it was our first date. And so we went with some people from Los Angeles who were very wealthy and well-placed.
And afterwards, we'd had a marvelous dinner and it was fun, and Charlie said, "Oh! It's much too early to go on. He said, "But come on to my apartment and have champagne. And I have the score from [the musical] Cats.
So he said, "In fact I'll take you all to Cats. But come tonight to hear and have the champagne. It's lovely. Then he says, "Now this is my dining room. This is my bedroom. And I think, "[Gasps] These people think I'm. But anyway, whatever shenanigans Charlie enjoyed in the hot tub, I'm glad he had them [laughs]. I just didn't want to be a part of that. Back to some political id-, questions.
Charlie's moniker that he got, really from when he was in the Texas legislature, was the "Liberal from Lufkin. So superficially, you and he would seem like an odd pair to be political allies on this.
So, how did that happen? How did y'all become so politically aligned? Or perhaps, has that "Liberal from Lufkin" moniker been overdone? And so, but the reason I like him, and he was, I didn't realize how much Charlie was in our life, but until I wrote this book. And when I did we had to go back through our multitude of scrapbooks and things and there were pictures from almost the time Bob and I started going to Washington, of Charlie.
Always in the background, but always there. And so I realized that we saw a whole more of him than I didn't think. But he was to me and to Bob somebody that you could really talk about anything with. And Charlie would listen. And if he thought you were saying something worthwhile. If he didn't, he'd go off into a Charlie story, you know, and make everybody laugh and so on, because he. But see I didn't find this liberal Charlie. If what you wanted made sense, Charlie, but he would tell you, you know.
That was one of the great things about him. He always told you, "This I can do" or "This I can't do" or "I don't want to do because this is not, my constituents won't understand it. And I first serve my constituents. But see I don't mind those things, when it co--, you have to vote for, and I like voting for good things. It's just voting when it costs too much money and you don't have it and you have to borrow it and somebody has to pay ultimately, or it doesn't make sense politically.
But he, did he become interested in the communism? Well, he listened. And yes I think he did. I mean he was. And I think that the recognition. He was very busy with his constituents and what he was doing in Washington. And like they said in the movie, maybe this is, did I get the one congressman that doesn't, isn't tied to a whole lot of strings? And Charlie said, you know, "I'm maybe the one congressman whose constituents don't want anything.
And I asked him, I said, "Charlie how do you always get things passed? But when I go, I except. And you see, he said, "I vote 'yes' a lot. SOSEBEE: Back to, and moving into more of the, actually into Afghanistan, what's going on there, and you've already told us some that you had some personal connections to the region. And I know some of these things have been well-documented.
But just for us, if you'll go over what those personal connections were and what role that played in getting Charlie involved. And what was your role in those? But the show ended up being the sixth highest-rated show in the United States. And so I had gotten a lot of national attention. He had been a prince before the partition of India [Khan is a member of the royal family of the former Indian princely state of Rampur].
And after the partition, he had b--, he was a nephew of the. And, so, he was a brilliant man, very elegant, and of course one of the most popular ambassadors in Washington.
And he became a great friend of ours and he helped enormously in our ascension in Washington. And so they saw that we had political clout in Washington. And so they asked Bob if he would consider being the honorary consul of Pakistan. And Bob said, well, he was very honored. And they said, "Well, you'll be the only person in the United States holding this title and it would not be an empty title.
It would be something where we would expect you to do things that were important and I think you'd find it interesting. Captured, upon his release he went to Pakistan as rose in the ranks of the Pakistani Army.
He then served as Foreign Minister from to and, again, for several months in late through early But, why don't you take Joanne? I mean, what in the world are they going to do with a woman? A woman had no place in Pakistan.
And they didn't know what to do with me. But, at that point, no oil had been discovered in Pakistan and Bob, of course, was famous for his drilling.
So they didn't want to offend him. So, they said, "Uh. Very reluctantly. But, what happened, I went to Pakistan and I thought, you know, I don't want to just get drunk sailors out of jail and have the national day parties.
I want to do something for these people. And I thought, well what can I do? And I thought, what do they need? They need money. How do I. The communists were all over the world doing their propaganda before they ever invaded a country, telling everybody what I call the Robin Hood story. Take from the rich, give to the poor. It's a great idea. It just doesn't work. Obviously it doesn't work because nobody was trying to get into those countries; they were trying to get out of those countries.
So Robin Hood obviously had failed. But the story sells very well. So I said, "Okay. I want to sell that free enterprise works for the very poor.
And this is important because this is what I'm doing today. Anyway, I learned tremendously that this is another planet. And America doesn't understand this planet. And when you land on this planet you have to do it their way, not our way, and that's where so many of our mistakes were made.
But anyway, I was successful. So they made me a man. They named me "sir. And I went to every meeting with maybe a hundred men, and I would be the only woman. But I was treated like a man. And Zia became a very good friend because I made sense. He was never interested in me as a woman.
He was interested in me as "sir. And no one had been working with the poor like I did. I went up into the mountains and he flew me all over Pakistan. And we made great impact. And I got the top designers of the world to design clothes with the Pakistan things. And they were ordering a thousand of everything. Then we hit the bureaucracy. They said, "We can't produce that. But that was years later. But I became; Zia was grateful. But I had already started my work with the poor and he saw what I was doing and he had the foresight.
He was a marvelous man. He's so. But you see, he was the one cog in the way of the Russians. And if we had not had total cooperation from Zia, we couldn't have gotten anything into Afghanistan. And he risked everything to help us do that. And we know that he was killed by the Russians. And the way we know, if you care, Alexandere de Marenches was a French. And he was head of it through seven presidents - that shows you how good he was.
So he was known as the top man in the world for investigating. We all were fighting for the world opinion and to get the world to wake up. He was called upon by the Pakistan government and a lot of the people to check into how Zia was killed, and it was the Russians. We know it was the Russians. Because it wasn't just Zia that was killed, but the most significant people that he had working in Pakistan. So I became very significant in Pakistan.
And so Charlie also became a friend of Yaqub Khan and admired him very much and took an interest in Pakistan. But I was the one that introduced him to Zia. Because Charlie wasn't interested in communism or any of that. Many theories exist, including claims the Soviet Union was to blame for the crash.
This is just off of this, and this is a personal observation I guess, that, with your experience in Pakistan, in the region, your obviously great knowledge of the region, have our current leaders, who are having a lot of trouble. All the time. And when my book comes out I will be on Hannity [cable news show hosted by conservative pundit Sean Hannity], Huckabee [cable news show hosted by conservative pundit and one-time presidential candidate for the Republican ticket in Mike Huckabee], The View [day-time talk show].
Joy Behar [comedian and talk show host on The View], can you imagine me there? And numerous others. Those are just the beginning. And all the radio shows and so forth, which will give me a great platform for today because we are faced today with something as equally dangerous as communism, which is terrorism.
And their intent is no different from the communists. They're out to conquer the world. Are they religious? They are thugs and they are interested in power and money. Always look for the money. It's always there. That's one of the first axioms of history. You see, every government the communists took over sustained their war machine because they took over everything that country owned and really enslaved them.
And they gave them, by taking over the treasures of countries, the means to continue their war of occupation and domination. And that is what we are faced with today in the terrorists and I am very involved in it. First off, did you ever envision Charlie becoming as passionate about it as he did? And why do you think he became so passionate and so committed?
We have to kind of do this sequentially. Bob died and it was terrible for me. And Charlie was just about the first person to come, he sent me two-dozen roses. And I was so overcome that I didn't even thank him. Imagine, I didn't thank the handsomest man in Washington. Charlie couldn't get over it. He had made this lovely gesture and I ignored it. But anyway, he started taking me to things and I felt comfortable with Charlie because I thought Charlie liked really young girls, wouldn't have any interest in me anyway, and we were just buddies.
But it seems that's not quite right. And so, if you were around me, you had to talk about communism. And then you had, at this point, you had to talk about Afghanistan because Zia and I had been in many conferences. See, I became his advisor. And he would take my call if he was in a cabinet meeting. But it's true. Herring's comments. I've changed my whole speech. Herring, stand up and tell everybody how they can come to Pakistan and get rich.
And he told me what was going to happen in Afghanistan and how it was going to happen. And, you see, then, this is really significant, I wasn't doing this for Afghanistan or Pakistan, I was doing it for my own country.
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But at the time there was absolutely nothing in Afghanistan. There were a few rocks and a few ragged tribesmen. And there wasn't anything in Pakistan either. There was no oil to speak of. They had discovered a little, but not even enough to become self-sufficient.
There was nothing in either country. So I said, "Why are the Russians taking this over? Why do they want this part of the world? And there was the Straits of Hormuz. And at that time, two ships sunk in the Straits of Hormuz, and that would be the energy to the United States. Which means not just our air conditioners in our cars, but our factories and our economy, everything. And when I went home and started talking to Congress about that, suddenly the glaze.
And this is how we made the difference out there. They began to understand that they looked at the map, and they said. My son Robin King went with me to Afghanistan and we made a film because nobody would believe it. And people were being killed daily. Horrible things were happening. They were being piled up like kindling and then tanks would drive over them.
They had pregnant women that they'd put cattle prods on them till their breast poured with milk and the baby died. Oh, so horrible, you can't imagine this. And our Congress and our world was saying there was no war. And they said that besides, Afghanistan can't govern itself, which I have some really good answers to which I hope you'll ask me.
But anyway, we went over there and we said, "The world cannot deny pictures. And my son was only nineteen and he was fantastic. And he did a great job with this film. Not, what's his name, commentator.
Located just southeast of Afghanistan and Pakistan, it runs between the Gulf of Oman in the southeast and the Persian Gulf. Dan Rather was long after this. So Charlie did come to Houston to see the film.
But I wasn't auctioning girls [as shown in the movie Charlie Wilson's War]. You know, when that happened in the movie it was. But go ahead, while now we're on the subject, you said you had good answers for about the, they can't govern themselves, go ahead and give them to us.
If I may, it's so important, because it's one of the reasons that the Afghans don't trust us. They loved us. They would've done anything for us. And they did twice.
What America has forgotten is that not one American soldier died in the war against the Soviet Union. The Afghans fought it all. We gave them a lot of good stuff, and God bless Charlie he got it. But they fought that war. And we walked out on them. We didn't do anything. And then we said, "Fight with us again. Fight to the death with us because we got to get those Taliban [Islamic militant and political group that ruled large parts of Afghanistan from to ] out of your country.
We'll do it. And we didn't do a thing for them. Not even the scoop by Charlie, or in the movie [Wilson is credited with having said, "These things happened.
They were glorious and they changed the world. And you see people have a tendency to think the movie is totally correct. It was a brilliantly done movie. I really loved it. And it's great.
But there are so much more to this than what that movie could possibly show. And suddenly there was a change in Congress. And I took it up to my Republican friends and they said, "Joanne, you got to get a Democrat.
We can't even get three million dollars for Nicaragua [to battle against, or aid those fighting against, i. We can't get anything. So you got to get a Democrat. But Charlie was interested.
And he, when he saw that film, he was on board because, as you said, he had a great heart. And he, his heart really went out to the Afghans. And what happens to anybody who is involved with Afghans, is that after you know them, you love them. These are great people. They're worth helping. But we've not done it. And you asked me about their governing, but I had to tell you a little bit about this.
The way they govern themselves was exactly what our forefathers envisioned for us which was state's rights. Every province in Afghanistan has a provincial leader. That leader's like our governor. The shura [translated from Arabic as "consultation," some Sunni Muslims believe that Islam calls for a shura, who is mentioned three times in the Quran, to make all decisions for Muslim societies] are like the city council. And the city council makes their local decisions. If there's anything that involves a province, they go to the provincial leader and get.
All the provincial leaders met together, whatever time of year they did, and they, they met several times of course, and they elected a shah [translated from Persian as "king"], which was kind of like our president. But he existed as a tie-breaker.
When they couldn't resolve their problems, all the provincial leaders, the shah would decide and they would accept that. And that's how they managed. And as far as fighting with one another, you fight with each other too. But anyway, where we were wrong is now we have forced on them a strong central government.
They don't understand it, they don't like it, it doesn't work for them. Because, yes, the provinces do have problems. In , Herring founded Marshall Plan Charities, a nonprofit corporation dedicated to Afghanistan recovery.
The organization complements the ongoing U. She has also been honored to serve as a roaming Ambassador of Pakistan. As Consul General to both Pakistan and Morocco simultaneously, the skilled diplomat was a trusted advisor to the leaders of both countries. Francis and being knighted by the King of Belgium.
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